Sep 06, 2017 I have a1940'ish 12' Dagor (Goerz Am Opt - coate after ) and a 1913 uncoated 120mm Goerz Berlin Dagor, even un-coated a Dagor is inherrently high contrast and in all honesty my 120mm is just as good as a modern coated or MC plasmat (in terms of contrast and lack of flare). C.P GOERZ BERLIN Binoculars and Case. Serial number: 213163 which I believe dates from 1906-1908. Stamped on Binoculars: C.P GOERZ BERLIN and 8x Neo-Trieder D.R.P I am no expert in old binoculars so can only describe what I see. I looked up the serial number on the internet and found they are. Does anyone have a list of C.P. Goerz Berlin serial numbers? I have searched the net, but only found the numbers from the american branch. I got a Dogmar 6,3/135mm (S/N 353458) today, and according to the Vademecum it was only produced for a short time. Own production number, disconnected from the C.P. Goerz Berlin numbers.
Antique, very early Trieder binoculars by CP Goerz of Berlin. No case, some scuffing, leather neck strap has snapped and been repaired.
Lovely smooth focusing action and width adjustment (to suit the distance between the users eyes).
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Serial number (production number) 13587, from which the date of production can be traced to 1898.
The 1903 Goerz catalogue published in the USA specifies this model of binocular as:
Linear magnification 9x
Superficial magnification 81x
Actual field of view 4.4 degrees
Subjective field of view 40 degrees
Code-word Trigon
Superficial magnification 81x
Actual field of view 4.4 degrees
Subjective field of view 40 degrees
Code-word Trigon
and quotes a retail price of $54 (in 1903).
Please note, production of the Trieder binoculars only started in 1897, and to find a pair from before 1900 is EXTREMELY UNUSUAL, these are a real hard-core collectors item.
These will only be posted using special delivery, or can be collected in person.
Overseas postage may be possible, but will be very expensive (eg: 45) and you will be responsible for paying any customs charges imposed by your country of residence.
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To add to my friend's Sean's comments in reference to the C.P Goerz Berlin lens, a good friend of this page provided me with some guidance in selecting lenses for 8x10. And while some may seriously disagree, here is what he wrote on this topic:
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--------------------------------------------------------------------- 'The Dagors are still popular due to their combination of small size and large coverage. Although the collectible market has driven up the prices in general, and especially for the Gold Ring, Gold Dot, etc. varieties, they can still often be found at relative bargain prices compared to equivalent modern glass. In some cases, there just aren't any modern alternatives that don't weigh 5x as much. In general, I have had good luck with Am Optical Dagors with serial number higher than 770xxx and Zeiss made Dagors from the 1930s - 1940s. Many older Dagors can also be quite good (but the quality seems to vary more), and I would avoid anything labeled as a 'Berlin Dagor'. These were assembled by Burke & James after WWII, and the glass used in them was horribly full of impurities. They obtained all these inferior old elements after the war as part of the liquidation of the German Goerz company, shipped them across the ocean, mounted them in barrels and shutters and sold them as 'Berlin Dagors' to distinguish them from the Dagors being made in this country by Goerz Am Optical (A separate company that had split off from the German Goerz sometime in the WWI timeframe).
All Goerz Am Opt. Dagors after 770xxx are of the same design and glass types. You can occasionally find very high serial number Dagors that don't have the gold rim or gold dot. They are every bit as good, and usually priced hundreds of dollars less. I have a suspicion that some of these were manufactured under contract for the US Military in the 1950s and 1960s. I have a 4 3/8' WA Dagor from 1961 that was originally part of a military field photographers kit that has a serial number above 800xxx, and it has a simple black barrel, even though I have an older 6 1/2' WA Dagor (786xxx) with the shiny gold rim and used to have a beautiful 12' Gold Rim Dagor with serial number 790xxx). Guess the military preferred the non-descript black barrels to the shiny brass ones of the Golden Dagors.
Good luck in your search for lenses for your 8x10. Other lenses to consider would be the Kodak Commercial and WF Ektars. They tend to be larger than the Dagors, and the Commercial Dagors have less coverage, but they are usually less expensive due to a lack of collector appeal. Also, in the longer focal lengths, the Red Dot Artars are great. They can be found occasionally in original Ilex shutters, but are more common in barrels (which can be re-mounted into Copal #3 shutters). I had a 16 1/2' Red Dot Artar that was my favorite lens when I used to shoot with an 8x10 Deardorff. Reasonably small, very sharp, and I just liked the focal length.' ------------------------------------------------------------------ I hope you and our other friends find this of interest.
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-Henry T. Stanley
-- Henry Stanley ([email protected]), June 23, 1999.
-- Henry Stanley ([email protected]), June 23, 1999.